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Sport 1100i More Detail And Steps Along The Way When I wrote the Sport 1100i report I pretty much gave before and after without a lot in the middle. Plus, with the exhaust playing Ive been doing with the 851 I figured some of the results I got may be of interest to others. So this report expands things a little (because I tend to crap on a bit more now too). Back when I was playing with this bike I didnt have the dyno technique I have now this was before Dave and Steve at Dynobike gave me free use of the dyno. Dyno technique is something you tend to work out for yourself, based on what you are trying to achieve. Meaning some of what was done, and the sequence, leaves a few gaps. And the descriptions of what I was actually testing are a bit vague in a couple of spots. Many of the runs end below the red line too, as they were usually reluctant to run them to the very top. I usually run things to the rev limiter when Im testing, basically because the rev limiter is there for a reason. Finally, there seemed to be quite a bit of session to session variation, meaning I may have been playing with tune between sessions and not noting it, or the bike was more susceptible to atmospheric conditions than others Ive experienced. In light of this, Ive tried to compare runs from the one session where possible. This is why it may seem to make more or less overall power from one graph to the next.
The next step Im not overly sure about (well, I was until I started typing, then I remembered it a bit more). It was about this time that I crashed my new pride and joy, falling off at very low speed at the end of my street on the way in on a Saturday morning. No reason I could see, apart from crap on the tyres from the path around from the garage. Went for the brake, found myself sliding along the road. Adding injury to insult (I was un-injured to that point) I tried to pick the bike up from its side particularly badly, burning the inside of my hand on the header pipe as I did so. Not happy. As this was the start of two weeks off to make mufflers for the Sport and the mighty KR1S, it put a damper on things.
Compared to the all std runs, however, it was a bit of a mixed result. More down low where they were fairly crappy std with less at the top end. The all std exhaust made as much or more power above 7,500 RPM than any other system I had on it. Which is good for brochures, but shows the typical way production exhausts tend to limit mid range performance. Although this system from Guzzi always seemed particularly bad in the 3 4,000 RPM range. Red is the best from the graph above, green is all std.
The reason the previous runs were done with the std x-over was that I was waiting for a new x-over to arrive from Italy. When it did, it was a Mistral piece that looked a little odd. I couldnt quite work out why at first, but later realized the tube used was one size smaller than std 42mm ish compared to 45mm ish. On the dyno - this time I think we were running std mufflers again, not sure why it was a similar result. More mid range, less top end. Bugger. Red is Mistral x-over with otherwise std exhaust, green is all std.
With this result, I decided to make my own x-over. Not too hard (he says in reflection), I made a jig using the std pong box x-over and went from there, using 1 _ mild steel exhaust tubing. Not overly pretty, but it was my first effort at custom exhaust stuff. Not to be the last on this bike. It was fitted and tested with (again, I think) std mufflers. Thats what the run notes say, but I cant work out why. Although I did have my mufflers polished and anodised after Id made them, so they may have been out while I was doing this. Anyway, compared to the all std and Mistral x-overs, it did fairly well. To the previous graph, with Mistral x-over in red and std x-over in green, Ill add my x-over in blue. Best of the bunch overall on average Id say.
Using the speed versus time scale you can see that the acceleration of the roller with my x-over was much better, especially through the mid range. This probably says more than anything else about how it worked.
At this point I was getting a bit despondent about the mufflers Id made and why they werent working as Id hoped. One of the reasons I think was that the perforated tube I was using had quite big holes, and it was also rolled to be about 50mm ID, where the muffler pipes leading into them were about 42mm ID. This would slow the exhaust gas down as soon as it hit the mufflers, and may very well have been the problem. But, I was also concerned about the length they were very long (coz I like long mufflers) so I cut them down, from 500mm or so to about 400mm from memory. The graph below shows some playing with this. I dont know if I have a run for the long mufflers with my x-over nothing is noted as such so Im not sure how systematic my method was at this point. Anyway, the base system at this point was std header pipes, my x-over, std muffler pipes and mufflers as specified. Green is my mufflers shortened, red is no mufflers at all, blue is with some Hindle mufflers held in place for a run and yellow is all std for reference. The blue line is what convinced me to use the Hindles.
So I bought some Hindles that Dynobike (the importer) had laying around. These turned out to be TL1000S mufflers, of which they had two pairs that no one wanted (fitted to a TL the bolt up face finish was less than desirable as I fitted them they were great). Compared to the ones we held up for a test they were quite a bit longer, which was how I liked them, so I was happy there. When I ran them fitted they were down a bit on power, but were still the best fitted combination Id had. To me it looked and sounded great. The next curves show how they compared to the others. Red are the Hindles we held up, blue are the TL1000S ones fitted and green is all std.
Next I started making a complete system, sort of a combination of the std and Staintune systems in style. I used the 1 3/4 mild steel tube for headers, 1 7/8 for the x-over, then 2 out of the x-over and into the mufflers. This works out to be 43.6mm, 47.6mm and 50.8mm OD. The mild steel tube is quite easy to work with and make into a system. Any size will slip nicely into the next size larger, as the size jumps are 1/8 and the wall thickness is 1/16. This was HPC coated in satin black when Id finished it. Very nice with the Hindle brushed finished mufflers I thought. Its the system shown in the photo in the original report.
When the rest of the system was ready, I fitted it and headed for the dyno. The result is shown in red compared to the all std run in green. Compared to how Id been running it beforehand std headers, my x-over, std muffler pipes and the Hindle mufflers there was no real difference apart from the all important visual. The second graph is speed versus time you can see by the angle of the curve how much faster the roller was accelerating with the full system. The system as it was beforehand is shown by the blue curve pretty much the same angle as the red one.
At this point I guess I have one comment to make next time I get one of these (hopefully some day) Ill just buy a Staintune.
A couple of months later, after Id done the 10,000 km service, I went back and tried running my exhaust with one muffler. To achieve this I simply removed one muffler (LH) and capped the x-over outlet. This wasnt at the x-over itself, but about 200mm from the x-over centre section. The center section was a piece of larger pipe flattened out into an oval (same as a Staintune) about 100mm long. So there was plenty of room for the flow from the LH header to bend a little and flow out the RH outlet. I did actually make a proper 2-1 x-over (I think), but for some reason didnt test it. When I sold the bike I gave that to the new owner as well, as it only suited this system.
Its certainly odd that restricting muffler volume makes such a big difference at lower RPM, without a huge impact at higher RPM. On the road, it was noticeably lacking down low, but really came on higher up. It would actually lift the front wheel at around 7,000 RPM in first on WOT acceleration, something it wouldnt do with the 2-2. Due to the steeper angle of the torque and power curves at that point, which is only a minor change in this instance. The smoother, more even shape of the 2-2 curve is why it wouldnt wheelie with that system, even though the peak is higher.
As Id expect, it picked up a little in the midrange, and lost a little at the top. I would imagine the before run was with fuel mapping that I had decided on from previous runs. At this stage the bike was running a chip Duane had made me with a modified spark map to suit the dual plugging it was down to 25 degrees max advance at WOT. Whether the fuel map was also modified I cant remember. Id expect it was. A month later I went back to the dyno and ran some fuel +/- runs to see what it wanted with the cam timing changed. The fuel changes it wanted were what I normally see with cam advance more in the midrange, less at the top end. With these changes I got the top end back. The graph below shows the chip base fuel in red, +10% in green and -5.4% in blue.
The bike did feel better down low with this cam timing, although it would get a bit more ruffled in traffic, especially hot and two up. More prone to ping a little on take off, that sort of thing. Given the software and knowledge I have now, Im sure I could have fixed much of this with fuel and spark map changes. I dont remember what the spark map looked like at low RPM now. I had changed it in the just off idle area for better response off closed throttle, but compared to the BMW R1100S I replaced this bike with, there was no comparison in low speed roll on the BMW was much smoother. You could roll it almost fully open in 4th gear at 1,500 RPM and it would just pull away, something the Sport wouldnt have been at all happy about. I did own them both for a couple of months, and just stopped riding the Sport in the end if I was heading into town. The Sport sounded so much better (and went every bit as well, especially that fat midrange), but the usability of the R1100S won me over. Which is something that really annoys me now Im sure I could make the Sport just as nice. And Im far more loyal to Guzzi than BMW. In the end I went back to the original cam timing as easy as pulling the sprocket and locating it back in the original hole (if you call that easy, not sure I call it enjoyable). Dont really remember why now.
This brings the report to an end. I have heard of this bike a couple of times since I sold it. It is now back to running single plugs something about the coils I was using upsetting the ECU and runs just fine at 10.5:1 compression using the chip with modified ignition advance. Although it needed about 15% more fuel, which shows the efficiency advantage the twin plugs gave. Home | Blog | Facebook | Service Enquiry | Products | Reports | The Dyno | Disclaimer | Contact Us |